especially if its an early non-radius cut rod. Bless his heart. For myself, advantage goes to the .308 as it runs in a short-action rifle. Mechanism - For Sale By MFL Classic Firearms Colombian Mauser Colombian model 30 in 30 06 These rounds were loaded to mil.-spec. Performance wise, the .30-06 can do everything that the .308 can do, but not vice versa. From a cartridge designed to shoot rats and poodles, that is pushing 55 to 77 grain pills, out of a semi-auto, there are men who claim to be able to grow hair between their legs bitching about recoil? Why is that? U.S. DOJ Approved Mixture. At 2,780 FPS, Steinels 30-06 M1 Garand rounds ensure reliable feeding, performance, and accuracy without undue wear and tear on the family heirloom. 7. I bet the firearms industry would love to see all of those old 30-06 and 30-30 rifles relegated to the gun safe as obsolete relics. Any load advice for when I get some dies, or bullet weight advice for factory ammo? Barnes Vor-TX LR 30-06 SPRG 175 GR LRXBT 20 Its hard to take a Mann seriously when his whole argument is about recoil. I hope you wore your vest and safety glasses Captain Instagram. Try to find another round that goes from 55gr 4100 FPS220 gr.. alarm (blank) cartridges for gas (expansion) weapons, including ammunition containing a tear gas irritant. Sure, the .30-06 will take game humanely from a good distance, but .45 ACP will kill its soul. I own rifles in both cartridges and I like both. hahaha flame deleted my ass. Thats something Id be interested. For years cartridge techs have been working on a better cartridge than the 30-06. Just something to think about. Specifically because I was giving up BC by using them. Remington HTP Copper 30-06 SPRG 168 GR TSX 20 ROUNDS (HTP30061) $47.95. Dont take my word for it. The use of suppressors when hunting has only been permitted in Tyrol since July 2019. I am getting some Federal 125g S/P in the deal but might change upto a 150g B/T. You've Selected Clear All. It wasnt because of the NRA or NRA-ILAs political posturing. Do it yourself and you will find the percentages remain the same within just a couple of points. The 30-06 rounds were making almost a millimeter smaller holes than at 100m 1/4 steel plate (shot both by myself with the .30-06 and by a friend with an SKS bullet size: 7.62x39mm) After shooting we checked the barrel and bolt to see how clean the ammo shot and we ran a dry cloth down and came out with a fairly clean cloth and when we wiped the bolt only found oil from the last cleaning. Due to recent increase in order volume, shipping of some items may experience delays up to 10 business days. He was reacting to a recent opinion piece in the American Hunter titled The .30-06 Sucks.. Maybe the OP has non-corrosive stuff. 30-06 30-06 U.S. Frangible ammo. I wouldnt want to use it on Grizzly or longer range shots on Elk or Moose and it wouldnt be my cup of tea for general long range shooting, like a 500yd Antelope shot (are you still hunting? It fires both, actually, depending on the model. 30-06 is the .38spl of rifle cartridges it will never go out of style. Been using the Old O Nasty for yrs .its the King in my opinion & everything I get in the scope never gets lost or tracked .its been a lot at that so what can I say ?? read more Hunting; Antlerless deer hunting with a supressor in the tyrolean mountains. ), Gun Review: Ruger No. In practical terms theres very little difference between the two unless youre looking to take a 1000 pound bull elk at 400 yards, in which case the -06 is a little less insufficient than the .308. Steinel Ammunitions 30-06 M1 Garand M2 Ball 150 gr FMJ ammo is loaded in new brass with a light roll crimp and comes 20 rounds in a reusable plastic case for $21.99. FLAME DELETED TTAGs posting policy prohibits flaming the website, its authors of fellow commentators. Easy to reload, flat shooter and good power. 30/06 'AXIS' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, Shooting package Offer: 4. .30=06 ammo. It is at max velocity so You can cut back a few grains until your rifle is broken in. just have the self discipline to hold your fire until you are assured of yo holding point and range and you will have meat for your pot. Lets take a look at a modern rifle and a good one the current Savage 110. First is the wide availability of the .30-06 round. Steinel Ammunitions 30-06 M1 Garand M2 Ball 150 gr FMJ ammo is loaded in new brass with a light roll crimp and comes 20 rounds in a reusable plastic case for $21.99. Why? .308 vs .30-06 is a stupid, click bait, argument. Without ammo, your hunt is over before it begins and youve invested hundreds to thousands of dollars in this hunt. Ill take the .30-06, thank you very much! Rating: Sold Out. It is my hunting rifle, not my paper punching rifle. But what happens to this rifle cartridge past 100 yards? Given enough time pushing the op rod velocities past spec and you are probably going to bend or break the rod. Subcategory Bolt Action. My hunting rifle has always been my Grandfathers 1886 Winchester in .45-70 and here Im Maine I took everything from coyote to Moose with it at ranges between 20 and 200 yards. Since the herds werent pressured, they would mill about, making so much noise that the report of his rifle would often go unnoticed by the rest of the herd, allowing him to take multiple animals. What recoil? We are producing and shipping as quickly as possible. There are many articles about doing this, usually involving a few of the slower Alliant (Reloader 25 for example) powders with 200 gr bullets at what a 308 shoots a 150. Concerning re coil, theres more to it than an ability to tolerate reco il. Is Commercial Ammo Safe? https://www.full30.com/video/2b685aad8ca63752c22424b4445888a9#. You want to complain about ballistics? Read the same article by Richard Mann he said he didnt like the 30-06 because of his uncle. You had me laughing so hard i fell out of my chair! 150gr at 3200 fps. He says they are excellent. Economic Study Concludes Theres No Evidence That Gun Buybacks Reduce Gun Violence, Repeal of Citizens Arrest Law Will Endanger the Lives of Georgias Citizens, Gun Controllers Fail Because They Dont Understand Americas Geographical and Cultural Ties to Fiearms, https://www.full30.com/video/2b685aad8ca63752c22424b4445888a9#, https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/308-win-178-gr-eld-x-precision-hunter#!/, https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/30-06-springfield-178-gr-eld-x-precision-hunter#!/, http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Ohio_Ordnance_HCAR. I also reload for both. Tons of Schu-mine 42s!!! Former gun slinger, current gun writer. Shooting a deer or pulling a pistol out of a basic holster and pulling the trigger just isnt as difficult as you hobbyist/fanatics make it out to be. Of course a heavier bull et will have a higher BC. However, unless you do reload, what you cant do is shoot it really cheap. 12 Gauge Flame Thrower - Dragons Breath - 100rds in Ammo Can $699.99 $449.99 Add to Cart $27.99 $19.99 Add to Cart More Info Order# G12-013. That is, unless youre supremely confident that you will only be taking shots directly into the brains of deer and elk at extremely close ranges, leave your rifle at home and pack a sling shot. And suddenly I have an urge to go out and buy a rifle in .30-06. Damn, DG. Jesus, did anyone here use 65 year-old car? This is kind of like them banning 1911s in their USCCA knock-off classes (the same group they kicked out of their show). If you cant shoot, a 300 Whammo Splat-o-matic wont help you much. An aftermarket gas plug is pretty cheap insurance to prevent that from happening and then you can put whatever you want through it without extra wear and tear. I like the 30-06 but I hunt everything we have in Alaska with the 308 and do just fine. Hunted with that rifle from 1965 to 2010, while in Vietnam a friend whos guns were stolen during a burglary used it for four weeks in two states and took 6 deer with 6 shots. Have not seen an AR in 30-06 so I went .308 for my bolt gun. They all reported that their quarry went down from a single shot, so they thought it quite the success. You can find decent quality M80 7.6251 for under 50 cents a round through sales and other discounts often. But with modern bullet technology, the .308 Yeah, just kidding. Wonder if theres a review on it? Additionally, aftermarket gas plugs will allow the use of hunting rounds without issue. Comments Required. The 06 has competently taken countless numbers of large game on this continent and a couple of other continents. That said, bullet technology has improved over the years and its really a toss up as to which rifle I would grab and will depend more on the size of the game than anything else. Neatly packed in a U.S..30 cal. The use of suppressors when hunting has only been permitted in Tyrol since July 2019. Then get back to me with complaints about recoil., Even more appalling, is to see in the last decade grown men arguing about which muzzle brake is better on my AR to reduce recoil. Ammo purchasers are responsible for use and compliance with all federal, state and local laws. I will quote to Bell himself about the December 1954 article he wrote for the American Rifleman. Above load is sub MOA in all my friends rifles. By 300 yards, theres a 13 percent advantage to the .30-06. ), Calibers for Beginners: The Legendary .30-06, (developed by Springfield Armory for use as military cartridge in 1903 Springfield, M1919 machine guns, and M1 Garand; longer range shooting history; hunting rifle applications; reloading up to 220-grain bullets. The 30.06 vs. .308 debate is a marketing ploy by the NRA to help the firearm manufacturers who NEED to sell product. black bears, and my rifle stays in my truck! Because, all other things being equal, the .30-06 will be ever so slightly heavier. My bro in law once stopped a charging black bear in its tracks with one and the results were delicious instead of catastrophic. Have fun finding what works for you. Notice: The incendiary, Raufoss, starburst and tracer ammo showers sparks of 3,000 degrees F+. This ammo is manufactured by A.L.S. At short ranges and all the way out to about 350 yards, there is, in fact, more recoil by percentage for energy delivered from the .30-06 than the .308. The bullets and bullet weights listed are intentional because those are the bullets listed in the original American Rifleman article. Head outside of the US, though, and that changes dramatically. That 4000+ fps 50 grain saboted slug from the 30.06 just about homogenized those woodchucks. White tracers are very hot also and can be seen easily during the day. 30-06 30 CAL M2 AP Armor Piercing I tested these US Military rounds manufactured in 1942 at the Twin Cities Ordnance Plant against reinforced concrete, AR500 plate, mild steel, and heavy timber. The range is 500 plus yards. I have been mowing on my smaller tractor, and seen them halfway in my yard, and halfway in the woods, and turn around, so I have to be alert! I wonder sometimes if things had worked out differently if we would have avoided all the arguments about 7.62 vs. 5.56 and would still be using something in the class of the .276 Pedersen. But now I am. M-2 A.P. While talking about a weapons uses in hunting or defense is good, if we fight and call name we push people away. If we take a look at the same round vs. the 140-grain ELD in 6.5 Creedmoor, the advantage of the old warhorse on big game is even more pronounced: 29 percent more energy at 100 yards, 24 percent at 300, and 20 percent at 500. The Garand is a relic and Im sure Patton would agree if alive. Yeah you dont need anyone to let you know it went off but even for a 15 year old skinny teenager I didnt think the recoil was objectionable. But because of the Great Depression and the stockpile of billions of rounds of .30-06 ammunition, the .30-06 got chosen. These are typically identified by a black tip. (DG was probably more dyspeptic than normal from the hassle of the still there name and email field issue). Ammo for your Launcher. Their standard round apparently included a tiny tear gas payload behind the steel penetrating core. My first hunting rifle at the ripe old age of 15 was a Remington 700 BDL with a Weaver K4 scope. I agree the .30-06 is a great hunting cartridge, especially for the one-gun hunter. I just bought a savage 110 in 30-06. I also have a 375 H&H Mag. However if you would like to compare both 150 grain rounds, I have provided all of the tools you need to do it. Recipes abound, with an extremely wide choice of components available, and available all over the world. Mr. Taylor is being a bit testy today. .30-06, in 150 or 180 grain loads, perhaps followed by the .270 Winchester in 130 grain loads, and then (if theyre exceptionally well stocked) followed by the 7mm RemMag in 150 or 180 grain loads. (use in single-shot lighter-weight rifle; tested with Hornady American Whitetail 150-grain soft point, Nosler Trophy Grade 180-grain Accubond, Federal 150-gr SP Non-Typical, Hornady Superformance 150-grain SST, Hornady 168-grain ELD Match, Federal 150-grain Vital Shok, and Winchester 180-grain Ballistic Silvertip). You just marched thru Georgia and burnt that shit to the ground and shot the survivors. Just got a LIMITED quantity of 209 primers. Technologies, the leader in Less Than Lethal Ammo. Prices are horrid but these are the first we've seen in weeks. Whether you're looking for .30-06 ammo for plinking, defensive use or hunting, Cheaper Than Dirt! A long time ago Remington loaded a 30.06 with a light 55 gr slug in a plastic sabot that has a MV of over 4000 fps it was great fun from my 1917 Enfield for taking the Woodchucks before they got to the vegetables. Launch a few of those out of a Trapdoor and get back to us with your complaints. match bul let for the .308 when Hornady loads the same 178gr. The ignition is a Very Bright Flash and is visible at a distance day or night and burns at 3000 degrees. The 308 was based on the 30-06. Older IH model from 1953. We are speaking of a quarter minute of angle difference between the two. 30-06 Ammo; 30-30 Win Ammo; 30-378 Wby Mag Ammo; 30-40 KRAG Ammo; 300 AAC Blackout Ammo; 300 H&H Ammo; 300 Norma Mag Ammo; 300 PRC Ammo; 300 RCM Ammo; 300 RSAUM Ammo; 300 RUM Ammo; 300 Savage Ammo; 300 Wby Mag Ammo; 300 Whisper Ammo; 300 Win Mag Ammo; 300 WSM Ammo; 303 British Ammo; 303 Savage Ammo; 307 Win Ammo; 308 Marlin Express Ammo; 308 Win Ammo ; 32 Remington; 32 Win Special Ammo The BN 36 with a 16 inch barrel weighs 7 pounds and has adjustable gas. When working up 155gr loads when I got my first .308 bolt gun back in the early 2000s, people treated my like I was insane for loading anything but 168gr or 175gr bullets. 308 is a nice round but I have a fondness for 30-06. the fact the the 06 is 111 years old, and kills deer or antelope just as dead as these new sooper pooper rounds sais enough. Thread starter sako85; Start date May 30, 2009; S. sako85 Well-Known Member. My great grandfathers used 30-06, my grandfather used 30-06, my father uses 30-06, and now I use 30-06. Why .30-06?, maybe its the H&R M1 Garand sitting down stairs ;-). I still stick to CMP surplus rounds for mine, though. with todays superior powders, and bullet design ALL are better than ever before. I did buy a muz zle break for an AR-15 this year, but in my defense its my wifes AR. Its not like theres some policy statement from the NRA that cannibalism is OK. Its one writers opinion of one cartridge against how many articles written over how many years in how many magazines? While i do not own a 30-06 and prob never will it is still the most worthwhile all around hunting cartridge in my opinion. Which is what opens it up to such versatility for game hunting in the US. It happens. It was an entertaining read listening to him whine about recoil. Im not saying their are no better cartridges out there. At 2,780 FPS, Steinels 30-06 M1 Garand rounds ensure reliable feeding, performance, and accuracy without undue wear and tear on the family heirloom. TYPES OF AMMUNITION. Notice: The incendiary, Raufoss, starburst and tracer ammo showers sparks of 3,000 degrees F+. Bottom line is the .308 launches the exact same bu llets as a .30-06 only about 100fps slower resulting in reduced energy and re coil. Where were talking target shooting, there is significant improvement in the 6.5 and 7mm bullet spaces. Mr. Mann is trying to sound savvy, but Im not impressed. Now lots of ideas have come and gone (remember the short magnums) but this one will be with us in the foreseeable future. The only difference between .308, .30-06 and .300 Win. I think where the 06 really shines is in heavier weight bullet efficiency. The .30-06 Phoenix Rising HEIIncendiary Ammunition is HIGH ENERGY IGNITION incendiary round that is much more sensitive than standard incendiary ammo. Multitudes of self-defense situations are carried out with basic pistols and ammo. Firearm Ammo: Tracers and more! Of course, if the choice is to bear through it or be scalped Id soldier on (so to speak) but theres not much point in wasting your am mo budget if youre not enjoying your ra nge time. I believe one of the comments was just the kind of story you would expect from someone named Dick Mann. Im not exactly an old-timer yet, but Ive certainly had my share of reading about the next wonder cartridge that will revolutionize hunting/shooting. 30-06 30-06 U.S. WWII ball ammo in bandoleers. You must be very careful of where you shoot these or it may start a fire. Semi-auto, too, if I remember. Probably not really the smartest purchase for taking coyotes and jack rabbits. Love it. If your 06 is weak, start handloading. I promise you the lower power cartridges of yesteryear I can reload more times than the super chargers of today. Sure, but nostalgia isnt enough by itself. In these towns, you dont find gun shops. You find a gas station, hardware store, etc that have a few boxes of ammo on the shelf. Results have kept the .30-06 going strong. Category Rifles. Oh Yes, I know what Patton said but that was in the 40sthis is 2017. You have entered an incorrect email address! Please send any comments about TTAGs editorial stance or style to [emailprotected]. with Unfired Lake City brass, hand-pulled bullets, new powder and new primers! As to handloads you have to find out what your rifle likes but all of mine prefer IMR4831 for bullets of 180gr or heavier and IMR4064 for lighter bullets. 308 Tear Gas ammo. Leaving the NRA over an article is pretty silly, if we all agreed on gun stuff we would have nothing to talk about.